{"id":65295,"date":"2026-03-13T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2026-03-13T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/?p=65295"},"modified":"2026-03-26T14:06:38","modified_gmt":"2026-03-26T19:06:38","slug":"extreme-circumstances-extreme-reactions-aaron-gwyn-and-sean-mccann","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/extreme-circumstances-extreme-reactions-aaron-gwyn-and-sean-mccann\/","title":{"rendered":"Extreme Circumstances, Extreme Reactions: Aaron Gwyn and Sean McCann"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><em>Our partner podcast <\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/noveldialogue.org\/\">Novel Dialogue<\/a><em> invites a novelist and a literary critic to talk about novels from every angle: how we read them, write them, publish them, and remember them. This season\u2019s signature question is: Who was your favorite teacher and why?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/pages.charlotte.edu\/aaron-gwyn\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Aaron Gwyn<\/a> is the author of four novels: <em>The World Beneath, Wynn\u2019s War<\/em>, and,<em> <\/em>most recently, two wonderfully linked historical novels, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.europaeditions.com\/book\/9781609456184\/all-god-s-children\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>All God\u2019s Children<\/em><\/a><em><u>,<\/u><\/em> which won the Oklahoma Book award, and <a href=\"https:\/\/bellepointpress.com\/products\/the-cannibal-owl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>The Cannibal Owl<\/em><\/a><em>.<\/em> In his conversation with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wesleyan.edu\/about\/directory\/profile.html?id=smccann\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Sean McCann<\/a> of Wesleyan (<a href=\"https:\/\/press.princeton.edu\/books\/hardcover\/9780691136950\/a-pinnacle-of-feeling\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>A Pinnacle of Feeling: American Literature and Presidential Government<\/em><\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/read.dukeupress.edu\/books\/book\/494\/Gumshoe-AmericaHard-Boiled-Crime-Fiction-and-the\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Gumshoe America: Hard-Boiled Crime Fiction and the Rise and Fall of New Deal Liberalism<\/em><\/a>) and Novel Dialogue\u2019s own John Plotz, we learn that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tshaonline.org\/handbook\/entries\/lemmons-bob\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Robert Lemmons<\/a> is a real historical figure and so is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tshaonline.org\/handbook\/entries\/english-levi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Levi English<\/a>.<br><br>One way to grasp Gwyn\u2019s achievement is to consider the contrast between his durably realist work and Cormac McCarthy\u2019s 1985 <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Blood_Meridian\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Blood Meridian<\/em><\/a>. Much as Aaron and Sean admire that novel, McCarthy\u2019s characters strike them as monstrous and incredible<strong>.<\/strong> How about Charles Portis\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/True_Grit_(novel)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>True Grit<\/em><\/a>, asks John? Aaron loves it for its ventriloquizing power, and its truth-loving willingness to weave in unsettling back stories like Rooster Cogburn\u2019s ties to <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Quantrill%27s_Raiders\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Quantrill\u2019s Rangers<\/a>, an eerily modern pro-Confederate terrorist paramilitary<strong>.<\/strong> In our signature question, we learn why Aaron\u2019s favorite teacher&nbsp;was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.swearingenfuneral.com\/obituaries\/robert-hill\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Robert Hill<\/a>, Pink-Floyd-loving drummer and perennial inspiration&nbsp;(<a href=\"http:\/\/facebook.com\/reel\/332513680829847\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">audio here<\/a>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe allow=\"autoplay *; encrypted-media *; fullscreen *; clipboard-write\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"175\" style=\"width:100%;max-width:660px;overflow:hidden;border-radius:10px;\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/10-1-extreme-circumstances-extreme-reactions-aaron\/id1556150939?i=1000755057205\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>Subscribe to&nbsp;<\/em>Novel Dialogue<em>&nbsp;on&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/novel-dialogue\/id1556150939\">Apple&nbsp;<\/a><\/em>or&nbsp;<em><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2DgVAcpiNg3fSGE8VFKqDA?si=d5e06b554b3741e4\">Spotify<\/a>&nbsp;to listen and to be notified when new episodes are released.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>View a transcript of the episode&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ND-10.1-Extreme-Circumstances-Extreme-Reactions_-Aaron-Gwyn-and-Sean-McCann-JP-transcript.docx.pdf\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Mentioned in this Episode<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Richard Slotkin\u2019s notion of \u201cthe man who knows Indians\u201d comes from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nationalbook.org\/books\/gunfighter-nation-the-myth-of-the-frontier-in-twentieth-century-america\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Gunfighter Nation<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Mark Twain, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/A_Connecticut_Yankee_in_King_Arthur%27s_Court\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur\u2019s Court<\/em><\/a> (1889)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Herman Melville, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Moby-Dick\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Moby-Dick<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>William Faulkner <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Absalom,_Absalom!\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Absalom, Absalom!<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Toni Morrison, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Beloved_(novel)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Beloved<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Thomas Pynchon, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gravity%27s_Rainbow\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Gravity\u2019s Rainbow<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>John Williams, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Stoner_(novel)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Stoner<\/a> <\/em>(but also <em>Butcher\u2019s Crossing<\/em>\u2014which <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2016\/aug\/03\/butchers-crossing-an-appreciation-of-john-williamss-perfect-anti-western\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">John loves<\/a>\u2014and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Augustus_(Williams_novel)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Augustus<\/em><\/a>, which did indeed <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/1973\/04\/11\/archives\/2-book-awards-split-for-first-time-serengeti-lion-wins-other-judges.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">split the National Book Award<\/a> (not the Pulitzer) in 1973 with John Barth\u2019s <em>Chimera.<\/em><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Larry McMurtry\u2019s hard-to-get-into <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lonesome_Dove\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Lonesome Dove<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cI come to the understanding I know nothing, and then I completely throw myself into the 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