{"id":59367,"date":"2025-03-28T10:00:39","date_gmt":"2025-03-28T15:00:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/?p=59367"},"modified":"2026-01-16T20:10:21","modified_gmt":"2026-01-17T02:10:21","slug":"novels-are-like-elephants-ken-liu-and-rose-casey","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/novels-are-like-elephants-ken-liu-and-rose-casey\/","title":{"rendered":"Novels are Like Elephants: Ken Liu and Rose Casey"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It\u2019s a bit surprising to hear a writer known for building worlds that incorporate deep historical research and elaborate technological details extol the virtues of play, but <a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/\">Ken Liu<\/a> tells critic <a href=\"https:\/\/arosecaseycom.wordpress.com\/\">Rose Casey<\/a> and host Sarah Wasserman that if \u201cyour idea of heaven doesn\u2019t include play, then I\u2019m not sure it\u2019s a heaven people want to go to.\u201d It turns out that Ken\u2014acclaimed translator and author of the \u201csilkpunk\u201d epic fantasy series<em> Dandelion Dynasty<\/em> and the award-winning short story collection <em>The Paper Menagerie<\/em>\u2014is deeply serious about play. Speaking about play as the key to technological progress, Ken and Rose discuss the importance of whimsy and the inextricable relationship between imagination and usefulness. For Ken, whose <em>Dandelion Dynasty<\/em> makes heroes of engineers instead of wizards or knights, precise machinery and innovative gadgets are born, like novels, of imagination. Ken himself might be best described as a meticulous, dedicated tinkerer\u2014a writer playing with the materials and stories of the past to help us encounter new worlds in the present. So even if trying to explain his craft is \u201clike asking fish how they swim,\u201d Ken jumps in and discusses how he writes at such different lengths (hint: the longer the book, the more elephantine) and what he makes of different genre labels, from fantasy to historical fiction. We also learn why Ken is a fan of Brat Summer and still thinking about the Roman Empire.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><iframe style=\"width: 100%; max-width: 660px; overflow: hidden; border-radius: 10px;\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/9-1-novels-are-like-elephants-ken-liu-and-rose-casey-sw\/id1556150939?i=1000701033032\" height=\"175\" frameborder=\"0\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>Subscribe to <\/em>Novel Dialogue<em> on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/novel-dialogue\/id1556150939\">Apple <\/a><\/em>or <em><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2DgVAcpiNg3fSGE8VFKqDA?si=d5e06b554b3741e4\">Spotify<\/a>\u00a0to listen and to be notified when new episodes are released.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>View a transcript of the episode <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/ND-9.1-Novels-are-Like-Elephants_-Ken-Liu-and-Rose-Casey-SW-Transcript.pdf\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h4>Mentioned in this Episode<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>Ken Liu, <a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"><em>Speaking Bones<\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"> (2022), <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"><em>The Veiled Throne<\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"> (2021), <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"><em>The Wall of Storms<\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"> (2017),<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"><em>The Grace of Kings<\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"> (2016), <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\"><em>The Paper Menagerie and Other Stories <\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/kenliu.name\/books\/\">(2016)<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Cixin Liu, <a href=\"https:\/\/torpublishinggroup.com\/the-three-body-problem\/\"><em>The Three<\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/torpublishinggroup.com\/the-three-body-problem\/\"><em>&#8211;<\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/torpublishinggroup.com\/the-three-body-problem\/\"><em>Body Problem<\/em><\/a> (2014)<\/li>\n<li>Rose Casey, Jessica Wilkerson, Johanna Winant, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bostonreview.net\/articles\/an-open-letter-from-faculty-at-west-virginia-university\/\">\u201cAn Open Letter from Faculty at <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bostonreview.net\/articles\/an-open-letter-from-faculty-at-west-virginia-university\/\">West Virginia University\u201d<\/a>(2023)<\/li>\n<li>Rose Casey, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/in-defense-of-imagination\/\">\u201cIn Defense of Higher Education\u201d<\/a> (2024)<\/li>\n<li>Ursula K. LeGuin, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/shsdavisapes.pbworks.com\/f\/Omelas.pdf\">The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas\u201d<\/a> (1973)<\/li>\n<li>Homer, <em>The<\/em> <em>Odyssey<\/em><\/li>\n<li>Virgil, <em>The<\/em> <em>Aeneid <\/em><\/li>\n<li>John Milton, <em>Paradise Lost<\/em><\/li>\n<li>A.M. Turing, <a href=\"https:\/\/courses.cs.umbc.edu\/471\/papers\/turing.pdf\">\u201cComputing Machinery and Intelligence\u201d<\/a> (1950)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.today.com\/popculture\/music\/what-is-brat-summer-charli-xcx-rcna163061\">Brat Summer<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cAll fictional works are in some sense defined by the moment they were written and what their authors were trying to experience.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":31,"featured_media":59415,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2154,1972],"tags":[70,373,20,2152,1995,1712,46],"pbpartner":[],"section":[1132],"pbseries":[],"class_list":["post-59367","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-novel-dialogue","category-podcast","tag-fantasy","tag-historical-fiction","tag-literature","tag-novel-dialogue","tag-novels","tag-podcast","tag-science-fiction","section-literary-fiction"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - 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