{"id":58458,"date":"2024-12-06T10:00:13","date_gmt":"2024-12-06T16:00:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/?p=58458"},"modified":"2026-01-16T20:10:30","modified_gmt":"2026-01-17T02:10:30","slug":"and-soon-lydia-millet-and-emily-hyde","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/and-soon-lydia-millet-and-emily-hyde\/","title":{"rendered":"And Soon: Lydia Millet and Emily Hyde"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Our partner podcast <\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/noveldialogue.org\/\">Novel Dialogue<\/a><em> invites a novelist and a literary critic to talk about novels from every angle: how we read them, write them, publish them, and remember them. This season\u2019s signature question is: I<\/em><i>f you could live anywhere in the world, where would it be, and why?<\/i><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>During a desert thunderstorm outside Tucson, Lydia Millet joined the <em>Novel Dialogue<\/em>\u00a0conversation with hosts John Plotz and Emily Hyde, with Emily playing the role of critic. Lydia\u2014author more than a dozen novels and story collections and recently the nonfictional\u00a0<em>We Loved it All<\/em>\u2014also works at the Center for Biological Diversity. Wild creatures gambol, flap, swim, and crawl their way through her writing and her conversation: We begin in the Garden of Eden but quickly learn that for Lydia human exceptionalism is the original sin, one that continues to bedevil us in \u201cthe nuclear era\u201d (or did she say <em>error<\/em>?). As thunder cracks overhead, she muses on salvation in an exhausted world and the busy lives of Gambel\u2019s Quail. In her recent novels, Lydia has worked to balance the intensely personal with our more communal aspirations: Without gossip, she wonders, how do you avoid polemic and the maudlin? Emily praises Lydia\u2019s humor and asks us to consider how a joke\u2014the earnest set-up followed by a sudden deflation\u2014can reconcile our fears and hopes for the future, the daily here-and-now with the magnificent unknowability of the world. Is it humor, comedy, satire, wit? Lydia is \u201cjust trying make myself laugh.\u201d She worries, in her life as well as in her writing, about the BS impulse to pretend everything\u2019s ok inside \u201cthis emergency, this critical life support dilemma.\u201d We also learn that Lydia will never write historical fiction, despite having a tantalizing family connection to Mark Twain.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><iframe style=\"width: 100%; max-width: 660px; overflow: hidden; border-radius: 10px;\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/8-5-and-soon-lydia-millet-and-emily-hyde\/id1556150939?i=1000679329497\" height=\"175\" frameborder=\"0\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>Subscribe to <\/em>Novel Dialogue<em> on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/novel-dialogue\/id1556150939\">Apple <\/a><\/em>or <em><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2DgVAcpiNg3fSGE8VFKqDA?si=d5e06b554b3741e4\">Spotify<\/a>\u00a0to listen and to be notified when new episodes are released.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>View a transcript of the episode <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/ND-8.5-And-Soon_-Lydia-Millet-and-Emily-Hyde-transcript-JP.pdf\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h4>Mentioned in this Episode<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/lydiamillet.net\/\">Lydia Millet<\/a>,\u00a0<em>We Loved It All<\/em>\u00a0(2024),\u00a0<em>A Children\u2019s Bible<\/em>\u00a0(2020),\u00a0<em>Mermaids in Paradise<\/em>\u00a0(2014),\u00a0<em>Oh Pure and Radiant Heart<\/em>\u00a0(2005)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/act.biologicaldiversity.org\/a\/donate-now-1?gbraid=0AAAAADwm5wraxeFrV3Xkhi9xT3ewAjUi-&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQiAr7C6BhDRARIsAOUKifj8V3MxrvNWc4FP51QtabQdfvNRMGHp9dR3krQJt0XlCC36wE7er5EaAtmFEALw_wcB\">Center for Biological Diversity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.allaboutbirds.org\/guide\/Gambels_Quail\/overview\">Gambel\u2019s quail<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Oppenheimer, Fermi, Szilard: the three nuclear scientists who vanish from 1945 only to appear in 2003 in Millet\u2019s novel\u00a0<em>Oh Pure and Radiant Heart<\/em><\/li>\n<li>Rachel Carson<\/li>\n<li>Elizabeth Kolbert<\/li>\n<li>Charles Darwin,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/darwin-online.org.uk\/content\/frameset?viewtype=text&amp;itemID=F1142&amp;pageseq=1\"><em>The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals<\/em><\/a> (1872)<\/li>\n<li>Oscar Wilde<\/li>\n<li>Mark Twain<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nps.gov\/whho\/learn\/historyculture\/butt-millet-memorial-fountain.htm\">Francis Millet and Archibald Butt<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cThe longer I&#8217;m alive, the more convinced I become that human exceptionalism is our original sin.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":31,"featured_media":58467,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2154,1972],"tags":[863,20,2152,1995,905,1712,143,1490],"pbpartner":[],"section":[1132],"pbseries":[],"class_list":["post-58458","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-novel-dialogue","category-podcast","tag-literary-fiction","tag-literature","tag-novel-dialogue","tag-novels","tag-nuclear-weapons","tag-podcast","tag-science","tag-short-stories","section-literary-fiction"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - 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