{"id":48439,"date":"2022-05-23T10:00:36","date_gmt":"2022-05-23T15:00:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/?p=48439"},"modified":"2026-01-16T20:16:59","modified_gmt":"2026-01-17T02:16:59","slug":"primary-sources-andrea-armstrong-on-incarcerated-people","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/primary-sources-andrea-armstrong-on-incarcerated-people\/","title":{"rendered":"Andrea Armstrong on Incarcerated People"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"nonindented\">Andrea Armstrong is a law professor at Loyola University and one of the leading experts on the conditions of incarceration in the United States.<\/p>\n<p>When invited to talk about an influence on her work, Andrea could have chosen to discuss a fellow scholar. She is a graduate of Yale Law School, and she credits Derrick Bell, Reva Siegel, and Kathleen Cleaver\u2014the only Black female professor she had at Yale\u2014with shaping her thinking about America\u2019s penal system. But Andrea decided to talk about the debt she owes to another, less conventional influence: the human beings caged inside of our jails and prisons. She says nothing has influenced her thinking more than talking to incarcerated people. In fact, incarcerated people have become such an important influence on her work that she regularly pays visits to jails and prisons across the country to survey the conditions and hear from the folks inside.<\/p>\n<p>In this conversation, Andrea talks about how the insights of incarcerated people have shaped her worldview and professional agenda, and how listening to them has changed her understanding of the nature of punishment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><iframe style=\"width: 100%; max-width: 660px; overflow: hidden; background: transparent;\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/andrea-armstrong-on-incarcerated-people\/id1620416528?i=1000563178896\" height=\"175\" frameborder=\"0\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>Subscribe to <\/em>Primary Sources<em> on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/primary-sources\/id1620416528\">Apple<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/5Ekh3Ge0c9lWbOnqStDf9E\">Spotify<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/primary-sources-2\">Stitcher<\/a> to listen and to be notified when new episodes are released. Our RSS feed is available <a href=\"https:\/\/primary-sources-public-books.castos.com\/feed\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\">View a transcript of the episode <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/03_Armstrong_transcript.pdf\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h4>Mentioned in this episode:<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2021\/08\/23\/a-fight-to-expose-the-hidden-human-costs-of-incarceration\">A Fight to Expose the Hidden Human Costs of Incarceration<\/a>,\u201d Eyal Press (2021)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.incarcerationtransparency.org\/\">Incarceration Transparency<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/innocenceproject.org\/freedom-at-a-cost-the-case-of-corey-williams\/\">Corey Williams<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Bryan Stevenson on \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.tlu.edu\/news\/bryan-stevenson-get-proximate-on-issues-of-race-and-injustice\">getting proximate<\/a>\u201d<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.witnesstoinnocence.org\/single-post\/john-thompson\">John Thompson<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/r-a-e.org\/\">Resurrection after Exoneration<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Conviction_and_exoneration_of_Glenn_Ford\">Glenn Ford<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Killing_of_Alton_Sterling\">Alton Sterling<\/a><\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/papers.ssrn.com\/sol3\/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3063481\">Death Row Conditions Through an Environmental Justice Lens<\/a>,\u201d Andrea Armstrong (2017)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780374140182\"><em>Dirty Work<\/em><\/a>, Eyal Press (2021)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Credits:<\/h4>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>Primary Sources<\/em> is a co-production of <em>Public Books<\/em> and <a href=\"https:\/\/typemediacenter.org\/\">Type Media Center<\/a>. 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