{"id":44278,"date":"2021-07-16T10:00:57","date_gmt":"2021-07-16T15:00:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/?p=44278"},"modified":"2026-01-16T20:17:20","modified_gmt":"2026-01-17T02:17:20","slug":"open-letters-open-secrets-laurence-ralph-on-police-torture-in-chicago","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/open-letters-open-secrets-laurence-ralph-on-police-torture-in-chicago\/","title":{"rendered":"Open Letters, Open Secrets: Laurence Ralph on Police Torture in Chicago"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dr. Laurence Ralph, professor of anthropology at Princeton University, is the author of <em>Renegade Dreams: Living through Injury in Gangland Chicago <\/em>(2014) and <em>The Torture Letters: Reckoning with Police Violence <\/em>(2020). The latter book discusses the history of the open secret of police torture in Chicago. He tells this story through a series of open letters to those affected by\u2014including those complicit in\u2014police torture, and finally to the reader. A longer version of this conversation originally aired on <a href=\"http:\/\/recallthisbook.org\/\"><em>Recall This Book<\/em><\/a>, a podcast partnered with <em>Public Books<\/em>. You can listen to the whole thing <a href=\"https:\/\/recallthisbook.org\/tag\/laurence-ralph-2\/\">here<\/a>, or you can subscribe to <em>Recall This Book<\/em> on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/recall-this-book\/id1449056698\">Apple podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2gg2aDufPzWJCxAirYkc5c\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/recall-this-book\/e\/58626913\">Stitcher<\/a>, or wherever you listen to podcasts.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>Elizabeth Ferry (EF):<\/strong> I would start by saying that <em>The Torture Letters <\/em>is a timely book, except that one of the sad lessons of the book and of 2020 is that this topic has been around for a long time and doesn\u2019t seem to be going away. At least the public discussion of it is growing, and, we hope, a sense of shared outrage that will persist beyond putting a sign in one\u2019s lawn.<\/p>\n<p>So, Laurence, perhaps you could start us off by telling us a bit about the project and the book.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>Laurence Ralph (LR):<\/strong> Sure. My introduction to the topic of police torture came when I was working on my first book, <em>Renegade Dreams<\/em>, which was about gang violence in Chicago, as the question of gangs and gang violence has to do with policing and surveillance in urban communities.<\/p>\n<p>This new book, <em>The Torture Letters<\/em>, centers on 125 Black men who were tortured in police custody under Jon Burge, a police commander who controlled Area 2 and Area 3 police precincts in Chicago. I follow what happened to the torture survivors, but also the activism that occurred in the wake of those torture cases that happened in the 1970s, \u201980s, and \u201990s.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>John Plotz (JP):<\/strong> One of the things that stands out is the decision to focus on letters\u2014not just your decision to write letters, but also to think about public letters. It is such an interesting quality, because one of the features of letters is that there is usually a personalized recipient. In your work, you are flipping that model around.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, when Elizabeth and I spoke, she had a wonderful line. She said, \u201cIt\u2019s almost as if you\u2019re hiding one genre inside another with your letters.\u201d Can you talk about that decision?<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>LR:<\/strong> One of the first questions I always ask when I embark on a research project is, \u201cWho do you want to make aware of this issue?\u201d In this project about police violence, the sentiment was, police officers need to know this, politicians need to know this, and another generation of people needs to know this.<\/p>\n<p>I thought seriously about that, asking, \u201cWhat vehicle can I use as a scholar to reach them?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s the genesis of the idea of open letters. Letters are very direct, and to a particular audience. You have to consider <em>why<\/em> the audience needs to know a particular thing, <em>who<\/em> wants them to know, and <em>why<\/em> you\u2019re writing this letter. Essentially, you have to ask, \u201cWhat is the point of it?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When discussing torture, it can very easily go off the rails into something voyeuristic and sensational. I found that when my message was poignant and direct, I was telling people what they needed to know. That approach assuaged my concerns over voyeurism.<\/p>\n<p>That is the primary reason why I picked the letters\u2014they were different because they were open letters, in a sense. Open letters are often more polemical than the kind of letters that I was writing, though\u2014they were really a kind of intimate open letter that pointed people to a particular history. I hope that, together, all of the letters will illuminate the larger landscape of police torture, not only in Chicago but transnationally.<\/p>\n\n    <div class=\"wp-block-group pattern related-reading has-oat-background-color has-background has-global-padding is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\" style=\"padding-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40)\">\n\n        <div class=\"block-heading\">Related readings<\/div>\n\n        <div class=\"wp-block-columns wp-block-post gap-tight is-layout-flex wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n\n            <div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n                <figure class=\"wp-block-post-featured-image\">\n                  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/when-police-are-the-problem\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"600\" src=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/spenser-h-194645-unsplash-1000x600.jpg\" class=\"attachment-feature_img_crop size-feature_img_crop wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a>                <\/figure>\n            <\/div>\n\n            <div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n\n                <div class=\"taxonomy-category wp-block-post-terms\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/category\/reviews\/\" rel=\"tag\">Reviews<\/a>\n                <\/div>\n\n                <h5 class=\"h6 wp-block-post-title\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/when-police-are-the-problem\/\" target=\"_self\">When Police Are the Problem<\/a>\n                <\/h5>\n\n                    <div class=\"pb-author-block\">\n                  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/author\/michael-mirer\/\" class=\"pb-author-img-link\">\n            <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/IMG_6994-e1628869292350-300x300.jpg\" class=\"pb-author-avatar wp-post-image\" alt=\"Michael Mirer\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/IMG_6994-e1628869292350-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/IMG_6994-e1628869292350.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>          <\/a>\n                <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/author\/michael-mirer\/\" class=\"pb-author-name\">\n          Michael Mirer        <\/a>\n      <\/div>\n    \n            <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n  \n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>EF:<\/strong> Maybe this is a good moment to bring in the second text that we decided we\u2019d bring into conversation with your book, <em>Between the World and Me<\/em>, by Ta-Nehisi Coates, which is also formatted as a letter. Laurence, can you introduce the book and tell us why you chose it?<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>LR:<\/strong> The reason why letters are important to me is because there\u2019s an African American literary tradition of writing letters to loved ones to warn of the hazards that they might face. There is a resurgence of this tradition, ushered in by <em>Between the World and Me<\/em>, but of course it has a longer history in Baldwin and <em>The Fire Next Time<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>One of the famous quotes from Baldwin is that \u201cnot everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced.\u201d That is the reckoning, telling someone information that they need to know because their survival depends on it. <em>Between the World and Me<\/em>, being an act of love written for Coates\u2019s son, is the epitome of that tradition. In that way, it resonates with what I am trying to achieve in <em>The Torture Letters<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>EF:<\/strong> Coates was shown a sentimental picture of a policeman hugging a young black boy and was asked by a reporter about hope. This is the beginning of part of Coates\u2019s ruminations on this question. And it seems that hope is a complex thing that relates to\u2014but isn\u2019t necessarily the same as\u2014optimism. It also relates to despair, and you clearly are addressing this in your book, particularly in the letter that you write to Mohamedou Ould Slahi, the author of <em>Guant\u00e1namo Diary<\/em>. Can you talk about hope and despair and how those relate and how you work with them?<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>LR:<\/strong> This is a bit of a divergence between where I go with open letters and where Coates goes. There was a debate between Coates and Cornel West a couple of years ago, around this issue of hope. In Coates\u2019s work\u2014and this was Cornel West\u2019s point\u2014the domination of police power can seem wholly determining in a way that, no matter what you do, you can never overcome it. The historic scale and length of the violence become an annihilation of life. There is a way that you can read Coates as a concession to that.<\/p>\n<p>You can see that\u2019s always been the purpose of the American system of government and that will always be. There\u2019s a way in which torture is attractive to people in a voyeuristic and sensational way, where people derive some sense of power and pleasure from seeing domination. And this is juxtaposed against a history in which people are always fighting back, always reckoning, and always trying, no matter how overwhelming the odds.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s part of my conception of injury, where I have to talk about the potential for repair. For me, that is talking through these issues with someone like Mohamedou, who was tortured in Guant\u00e1namo Bay by Chicago police officers. I\u2019m taken aback by his radical sense of optimism.<\/p>\n<p>When I talked to Mohamedou, I asked him what he actually did every day. He kept track of the days by reciting a certain passage of the Qur\u2019an because he knew that if he recited a certain amount, it would take up a certain number of hours. He would also ask people, such as his interrogators, for things in ways that would reveal their wrists, so he could look at their watch. He kept track of the days and time that way, when they didn\u2019t want him to know what time it was. These are literally ways in which he survived. And so those actual tactics are important.<\/p>\n<p>There is something individualistic about it, that the strength to overcome is in one\u2019s own power. But I do recognize how understanding that can be a tactic and a strategy for fighting against oppression in the long run and also making different survivors of police torture visible to each other.<\/p>\n<p>So there\u2019s the theoretical or the abstract notion of hope, but then there\u2019s the everyday practice of hope.<\/p>\n\n    <div class=\"wp-block-group pattern related-reading has-oat-background-color has-background has-global-padding is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\" style=\"padding-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40)\">\n\n        <div class=\"block-heading\">Related readings<\/div>\n\n        <div class=\"wp-block-columns wp-block-post gap-tight is-layout-flex wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n\n            <div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n                <figure class=\"wp-block-post-featured-image\">\n                  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/apartheids-paper-trail\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" src=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/3311473293_70f1b08d13_o-900x600.jpg\" class=\"attachment-feature_img_crop size-feature_img_crop wp-post-image\" alt=\"Apartheid in South Africa\" \/><\/a>                <\/figure>\n            <\/div>\n\n            <div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n\n                <div class=\"taxonomy-category wp-block-post-terms\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/category\/reviews\/\" rel=\"tag\">Reviews<\/a>\n                <\/div>\n\n                <h5 class=\"h6 wp-block-post-title\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/apartheids-paper-trail\/\" target=\"_self\">Apartheid\u2019s Paper Trail<\/a>\n                <\/h5>\n\n                    <div class=\"pb-author-block\">\n                  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/author\/alex-lichtenstein\/\" class=\"pb-author-img-link\">\n            <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/alex3-1-e1618938450339.jpg\" class=\"pb-author-avatar wp-post-image\" alt=\"Alex Lichtenstein\" \/>          <\/a>\n                <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/author\/alex-lichtenstein\/\" class=\"pb-author-name\">\n          Alex Lichtenstein        <\/a>\n      <\/div>\n    \n            <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n  \n<p>In terms of hope, what torture survivors in Chicago have been able to attain is pretty remarkable. They\u2019re using the language of reparations and won a reparations ordinance in 2015. That was really a landmark, because the way that we deal with police violence in this country is often through settlements, which often stops victims from then sharing what happened to them.<\/p>\n<p>This reparations ordinance wasn\u2019t only about individual compensation. It was also about collective resources, and it included a torture-justice center where people could get counseling, and it included job training and education for the torture survivors. It also included a mandate that the history of the torture cases be taught in Chicago public schools.<\/p>\n<p>Those kinds of resources\u2014and having redress on a collective level\u2014are a hopeful model for how to address something like police violence. The limitation of that model, though, is that it doesn\u2019t ask anything of the police themselves. It puts the onus on the community to address their own problem and provides resources to do that. But it doesn\u2019t ask the police to address their own complicity.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>EF:<\/strong> Right. In some ways that movement to a collective model, rather than an individual settlement, reminds me a lot of truth-and-reconciliation commissions that we see in other countries.<\/p>\n<p>I hear what you\u2019re saying about the individual or even departmental accountability of the police. But it also seems that these efforts undermine a sense of American exceptionalism. It runs counter to the idea that we don\u2019t commit human-rights violations, or that it\u2019s only in other countries where you have to have such reckonings.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>LR:<\/strong> There was a lot of debate, as you can imagine, about whether this was just <em>brutality<\/em>, or actual <em>torture<\/em>. It\u2019s been a lot of work for us to say, \u201cno, this is police torture.\u201d But that came from the international comparison, comparing what actually is happening\u2014including what devices people are using for torture\u2014with what is happening in other spaces.<\/p>\n<p>The first set of comparisons happened in the \u201990s around dictatorships in Latin America, but then that debate died down. There is an attempt within Chicago to erase and mute those experiences and classify them as mere brutality.<\/p>\n<p>There was a resurgence of that language of torture with the War on Terror, though. Another resurgence was when it came to the atrocities that happened at Guant\u00e1namo. This is not divorced from what\u2019s happening internationally at particular periods of time, and has been vitally important in seeing torture as torture in the US.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>JP:<\/strong> Has Hannah Arendt\u2019s work been helpful to you at all? Do you think through some of the \u201cbanality of evil\u201d argument? Toward the end of <em>Eichmann in Jerusalem<\/em>, there is not optimism but hopefulness about how stories are going to emerge and the impossibility of keeping the truth down.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>LR:<\/strong> Yes. I thought a lot about Holocaust studies in general when looking at these cases. I was really interested in the role of the witness and how to convey the unimaginable as a mode of witnessing.<\/p>\n<p>Something that emerges out of Holocaust studies is the tendency to ask the question, \u201cWhat is to prevent this from happening again?\u201d A lot of that has to do with the banality of evil, in the sense that there\u2019s a pervasive aspect of complicity.<\/p>\n<p>I was interested in that question when it came to Chicago police torture, and talk about the open secret of police torture. People knew about this the whole time. But they also knew that to say something about it would mean that they would risk their careers\u2014and lives, in some cases. There became incentives for people to move up the ranks. Once they moved up the ranks, once they were a district attorney who had heard someone say, \u201cI\u2019ve been tortured,\u201d and they ignored it, then that district attorney becomes a judge. When he or she is a judge, they don\u2019t want to hear any torture cases, because they themselves are complicit or the people who they work for are complicit. And so there is a way in which it then becomes a coordinated effort to conceal the truth.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>JP:<\/strong> From a literary-studies perspective, I really appreciate that account of what you can get out of Holocaust witnessing studies. For too long, the discourse of trauma has seemed so predominant in terms of defining the unspeakability around terrible crimes. In so doing, this discourse ignores the number of ways to talk about the silencing of witnessing or the suppression of witnessing that does not involve trauma.<\/p>\n<p>Trauma is like a psychological aporia, which is definitely there and real. But it isn\u2019t the only account for why silence would spread. I just think it\u2019s important to keep something like the Arendtian account of the difficulty of witnessing. At the same time, it gets away from the singularity of the Holocaust.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>LR:<\/strong> There\u2019s a resonance there between African American studies and slavery. There is an unspeakability of the horrific, but also where nothing can compare to it as well. On the one hand, there is a perspective that it\u2019s so horrific that you can\u2019t really describe it, and to try to describe it only plays into a kind of pornography of violence.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, when it comes to the legal aspect in truth and reconciliation, and the practicality of having to tell the stories through the court of law, it is a different thing, because people have had to say what happened. They have had to show the scars on their body. They had to describe the instruments of torture in order to gain recognition.<\/p>\n<p>There is a balancing act between how you describe that process and how to pay careful attention to the pitfalls of describing suffering in a noncritical way. This is why the letters for me became important, because they\u2019re a way to mediate that tension.<\/p>\n\n    <div class=\"wp-block-group pattern related-reading has-oat-background-color has-background has-global-padding is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\" style=\"padding-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40)\">\n\n        <div class=\"block-heading\">Related readings<\/div>\n\n        <div class=\"wp-block-columns wp-block-post gap-tight is-layout-flex wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n\n            <div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n                <figure class=\"wp-block-post-featured-image\">\n                  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/how-to-defund-the-police\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"438\" src=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/49965229188_8ccd73b3f5_c.jpg\" class=\"attachment-feature_img_crop size-feature_img_crop wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/49965229188_8ccd73b3f5_c.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/49965229188_8ccd73b3f5_c-768x420.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a>                <\/figure>\n            <\/div>\n\n            <div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n\n                <div class=\"taxonomy-category wp-block-post-terms\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/category\/essays\/\" rel=\"tag\">Essays<\/a>\n                <\/div>\n\n                <h5 class=\"h6 wp-block-post-title\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/how-to-defund-the-police\/\" target=\"_self\">How to Defund the Police<\/a>\n                <\/h5>\n\n                    <div class=\"pb-author-block\">\n                  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/author\/simon-balto\/\" class=\"pb-author-img-link\">\n            <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/fellows-balto-simon-e1605718274992-300x300.jpg\" class=\"pb-author-avatar wp-post-image\" alt=\"Simon Balto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/fellows-balto-simon-e1605718274992-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/fellows-balto-simon-e1605718274992-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/fellows-balto-simon-e1605718274992.jpg 861w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>          <\/a>\n                <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/author\/simon-balto\/\" class=\"pb-author-name\">\n          Simon Balto        <\/a>\n      <\/div>\n    \n            <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n  \n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>EF:<\/strong> It makes a lot of sense. There is a good connection there to the final part of our show, where we bring in books or other kinds of things related to our conversation, or for which our conversation has provoked some thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>Frederick Douglass\u2019s 1876 speech on the unveiling of the Freedmen\u2019s Monument very much connects to this question about how slavery is represented and what might be some of the pitfalls of representing it. This speech also has one genre nestled inside another. It is a commemorative speech\u2014which is supposed to be unqualifiedly praising\u2014and yet Douglass clearly hates the monument: because it has this slave kneeling, while Lincoln extends his benevolent white hand over him to save him.<\/p>\n<p>Douglass manages to convey that highly ambivalent history of Lincoln\u2019s relationship to slavery and to enslaved and non-enslaved Black people. He gave a very incisive history hidden inside the commemorative speech.<\/p>\n<p>That is my example. Laurence, do you have something you\u2019d like to talk about in relation to what we\u2019ve talked about today?<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><strong>LR:<\/strong> I\u2019ll be happy to talk about \u201cStrange Fruit\u201d and Billie Holiday\u2019s rendition of \u201cStrange Fruit.\u201d Not only is it a historic song in the way we think about state-sanctioned violence in the US and what kinds of bodies are disposable, but it also merges two critical metaphors in my book, the torture tree and the black box.<\/p>\n<p>The torture tree is about a structure of torture in which people rise through the ranks and are allowed to hide torture in plain sight because they become complicit, which I mentioned earlier.<\/p>\n<p>The black box was a device that Jon Burge used to electrocute torture victims, but I also conceive of the black box as a reservoir in which knowledge gets obscured. People say things like, \u201cWe can\u2019t ever know what actually happened because it\u2019s his word against the torture victims\u201d or \u201cWe can\u2019t know about it because there are no witnesses.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I am interested in exploring those silences. What does the black box teach us? In this case, it literally connected torture survivors through the scars left on their bodies. People were able to say, \u201cThis is the mark of electrocution that could only have occurred from attaching this device to my body in this way,\u201d and other torture survivors were able to show the same thing. There is the black box as a torture device and as a kind of epistemological apparatus, in that it produces certain kinds of knowledge about torture.<\/p>\n<p>In \u201cStrange Fruit,\u201d Billie Holiday is talking about a tree; a tree that lynches Black people is a torture device. 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