{"id":41279,"date":"2020-07-27T11:00:15","date_gmt":"2020-07-27T16:00:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/?p=41279"},"modified":"2026-01-16T20:18:00","modified_gmt":"2026-01-17T02:18:00","slug":"episode-2-individuals-online","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/episode-2-individuals-online\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode 2: Individuals Online"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"nonindented\">What exactly are we doing when we\u2019re spending time online? Who profits from our presence there? And how has being on the internet changed the experience of being human?<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><iframe style=\"width: 100%; max-width: 660px; overflow: hidden; background: transparent;\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/individuals-online-with-amanda-hess-jenny-odell\/id1523686748?i=1000512273349\" height=\"175\" frameborder=\"0\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>Subscribe to <\/em>Public Books 101 <em>on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/public-books-101\/id1523686748\">Apple<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/52pDLXxtxQOEJTaFPBSi3n?si=sxF5lvz8RUebjh2XzWZMcA\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/shoe-leather\/public-books-101\">Stitcher<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/pca.st\/podcast\/fffa8970-a8e4-0138-e68d-0acc26574db2\">Pocket Casts<\/a> <\/em><em>to listen and to be notified when new episodes are released. Our RSS feed is available\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/public-books-101.castos.com\/feed\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\" data-pm-slice=\"1 1 [&quot;ul&quot;,{&quot;style&quot;:null,&quot;backgroundColor&quot;:null,&quot;color&quot;:null,&quot;lineHeight&quot;:null,&quot;listStyleType&quot;:null},&quot;li&quot;,{&quot;style&quot;:null,&quot;checked&quot;:null,&quot;value&quot;:null,&quot;displayValue&quot;:null,&quot;backgroundColor&quot;:null,&quot;color&quot;:null,&quot;listStyleType&quot;:null}]\" data-en-clipboard=\"true\"><i>View a list of discussion questions related to this episode <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/reading-resources-the-internet\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a><\/i>.<\/p>\n<h4 class=\"nonindented\">Our guests<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Amanda Hess<\/strong> is a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/by\/amanda-hess\">critic-at-large<\/a> at the\u00a0<em>New York Times<\/em> and the host of the video series <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/07\/24\/arts\/internetting-amanda-hess-season-two.html\"><em>Internetting with Amanda Hess<\/em><\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Jenny Odell<\/strong> is a visual artist, a lecturer in visual art at Stanford University, and the author of <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781612197494\"><em>How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy<\/em><\/a> (Melville House, 2019).<\/li>\n<li data-pm-slice=\"2 1 [&quot;ul&quot;,{&quot;style&quot;:null,&quot;backgroundColor&quot;:null,&quot;color&quot;:null,&quot;lineHeight&quot;:null,&quot;listStyleType&quot;:null}]\" data-en-clipboard=\"true\">\n<div><b>Annie Galvin<\/b>, this season&#8217;s host, is the associate editor at\u00a0<i>Public Books<\/i> and a Mellon\/ACLS Public Fellow. She holds a PhD in English from the University of Virginia, and her <a href=\"https:\/\/anniegalvin.com\/\">academic and public writing<\/a> has focused on contemporary global fiction, visual culture, gender and sexuality, and popular music.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Episode notes<\/h4>\n<p class=\"nonindented\">Two high-profile writers who cover internet culture meditate on the experience of being a person in the internet age. Social media has presented new phenomena\u2014such as \u201cdoom-scrolling\u201d on Twitter or visiting pop-up Instagram \u201cexperiences\u201d\u2014for human minds and spirits to contend with. We examine how the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.encyclopedia.com\/economics\/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps\/attention-economy\">attention economy<\/a> monetizes our time spent online, and Amanda and Jenny consider ways of using the internet that offer spiritual sustenance rather than dread.<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>View a transcript of the episode <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.cul.columbia.edu\/podcasts\/public-books-101-individuals-online-transcript\/\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<h4 class=\"nonindented\">Mentioned in this episode<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/oakland-fire\/\">Ghost Ship Warehouse fire<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Jenny\u2019s work:\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781612197494\"><em>How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy<\/em><\/a> (2019)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.jennyodell.com\/explanations.html\"><em>People Younger than Me Explaining How to Do Things<\/em><\/a> (2013, ongoing)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.jennyodell.com\/primer.html\"><em>Primer<\/em><\/a> (2014)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Amanda\u2019s work:\n<ul>\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2017\/09\/13\/movies\/silent-film-youtube-videos.html\">The Silent Film Returns\u2014on Social Media<\/a>,\u201d <em>New York Times<\/em> (2017)<\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/07\/30\/arts\/hands-videos-facebook-youtube.html\">The Hidden Language of Hands Videos<\/a>,\u201d\u00a0<em>New York Times<\/em> (2018)<\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/09\/26\/arts\/color-factory-museum-of-ice-cream-rose-mansion-29rooms-candytopia.html\">The Existential Void of the Pop-Up \u2018Experience,\u2019<\/a>\u201d<em>New York Times<\/em> (2018)<\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/05\/01\/magazine\/what-happens-when-people-and-companies-are-both-just-brands.html\">What Happens when People and Companies Are Both Just \u2018Brands\u2019?<\/a>\u201d\u00a0<em>New York Times Magazine<\/em> (2018)<\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2020\/04\/09\/arts\/virus-quarantine-clapping.html\">In Praise of Quarantine Clapping<\/a>,\u201d <em>New York Times<\/em> (2020)<\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/interactive\/2019\/09\/11\/arts\/how-fan-culture-is-swallowing-democracy.html\">How Fan Culture Is Swallowing Democracy<\/a>,\u201d\u00a0<em>New York Times<\/em> (2019)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.teamlab.art\/\">teamLab<\/a> (art collective)<\/li>\n<li>the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.encyclopedia.com\/economics\/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps\/attention-economy\">attention economy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/chrome.google.com\/webstore\/detail\/news-feed-eradicator-for\/fjcldmjmjhkklehbacihaiopjklihlgg?hl=en\">News Feed Eradicator for Facebook<\/a> (Google Chrome browser extension)<\/li>\n<li>Tom Peters, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.fastcompany.com\/28905\/brand-called-you\">The Brand Called You<\/a>,\u201d <em>FastCompany<\/em> (1997)<\/li>\n<li>Bird cams: <a href=\"https:\/\/explore.org\/livecams\/hummingbirds\/bella-hummingbird-nest?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyrqNls3t6gIVg8DICh2eBQviEAAYAiAAEgKjmvD_BwE\">hummingbirds<\/a> in California, <a href=\"https:\/\/explore.org\/livecams\/bald-eagles\/decorah-eagles\">eagles<\/a> in Iowa, <a href=\"https:\/\/calfalcons.berkeley.edu\/\">falcons<\/a> at UC Berkeley<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4 class=\"nonindented\">Further reading<\/h4>\n<p class=\"nonindented\">Amanda recommends:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/reallifemag.com\/\"><em>Real Life Magazine<\/em><\/a> (on internet culture)<\/li>\n<li>Rachel Cusk\u2019s <em>Outline\u00a0<\/em>trilogy of novels:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781250081544\"><em>Outline<\/em><\/a> (2015),\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781250151797\"><em>Transit<\/em><\/a> (2017),\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781250207395\"><em>Kudos<\/em><\/a> (2018)<\/li>\n<li>Anna Wiener\u2019s memoir <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780374278014\"><em>Uncanny Valley<\/em><\/a> (2020)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"nonindented\">Jenny recommends:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Wendy Liu, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781912248704\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Abolish Silicon Valley: How to Liberate Technology from Capitalism<\/span><\/i><\/a> (2020)<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Joanne McNeil, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780374194338\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Lurking: How a Person Became a<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em> User<\/em> (2020)<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Jia Tolentino, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780525510567\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Trick Mirror: Reflections on Self-Delusion<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> (2019)<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><i>This episode was produced by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/author\/annie-galvin\/\" rev=\"en_rl_none\">Annie Galvin<\/a>\u00a0and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/author\/jess-engebretson\/\" rev=\"en_rl_none\">Jess Engebretson<\/a> and is\u00a0licensed\u00a0under a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/4.0\/\" rel=\"noopener\" rev=\"en_rl_none\">Creative Commons-Attribution\u00a0License<\/a>\u00a0(CC-BY 4.0).<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What exactly are we doing when we\u2019re spending time online? 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