{"id":41273,"date":"2020-07-20T11:00:26","date_gmt":"2020-07-20T16:00:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/?p=41273"},"modified":"2026-01-16T20:18:00","modified_gmt":"2026-01-17T02:18:00","slug":"episode-1-origins-of-the-internet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/episode-1-origins-of-the-internet\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode 1: Origins of the Internet"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"nonindented\">Where did the internet come from? Who gets left out of dominant stories about its origins? And what can history teach us about how to make the internet better?<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><iframe style=\"width: 100%; max-width: 660px; overflow: hidden; background: transparent;\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/origins-internet-charlton-mcilwain-fred-turner\/id1523686748?i=1000512273284\" height=\"175\" frameborder=\"0\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>Subscribe to <\/em>Public Books 101 <em>on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/public-books-101\/id1523686748\">Apple<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/52pDLXxtxQOEJTaFPBSi3n?si=sxF5lvz8RUebjh2XzWZMcA\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/shoe-leather\/public-books-101\">Stitcher<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/pca.st\/podcast\/fffa8970-a8e4-0138-e68d-0acc26574db2\">Pocket Casts<\/a> <\/em><em>to listen and to be notified when new episodes are released. Our RSS feed is available\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/public-books-101.castos.com\/feed\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\" data-pm-slice=\"1 1 [&quot;ul&quot;,{&quot;style&quot;:null,&quot;backgroundColor&quot;:null,&quot;color&quot;:null,&quot;lineHeight&quot;:null,&quot;listStyleType&quot;:null},&quot;li&quot;,{&quot;style&quot;:null,&quot;checked&quot;:null,&quot;value&quot;:null,&quot;displayValue&quot;:null,&quot;backgroundColor&quot;:null,&quot;color&quot;:null,&quot;listStyleType&quot;:null}]\" data-en-clipboard=\"true\"><i>View a list of discussion questions related to this episode <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicbooks.org\/reading-resources-the-internet\/\" rev=\"en_rl_none\">here<\/a>.<\/i><\/p>\n<h4 class=\"nonindented\">Our guests<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Charlton McIlwain<\/strong> is a professor of media, culture, and communication at New York University and author of <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780190863845\"><em>Black Software: The Internet and Racial Justice, from the AfroNet to Black Lives Matter<\/em><\/a> (Oxford University Press, 2019).<\/li>\n<li><strong>Fred Turner<\/strong> is the Harry and Norman Chandler Professor of Communication at Stanford University and author of <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780226817422\"><em>From<\/em><em> Counterculture to Cyberculture: Stewart Brand, the Whole Earth Network, and the Rise of Digital Utopianism<\/em><\/a> (University of Chicago Press, 2006) and <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780226325897\"><em>The Democratic Surround: Multimedia and American Liberalism from World War II to the Psychedelic Sixties <\/em><\/a>(University of Chicago Press, 2013).<\/li>\n<li>\n<div data-pm-slice=\"1 1 [&quot;ul&quot;,{&quot;style&quot;:null,&quot;backgroundColor&quot;:null,&quot;color&quot;:null,&quot;lineHeight&quot;:null,&quot;listStyleType&quot;:null},&quot;li&quot;,{&quot;style&quot;:null,&quot;checked&quot;:null,&quot;value&quot;:null,&quot;displayValue&quot;:null,&quot;backgroundColor&quot;:null,&quot;color&quot;:null,&quot;listStyleType&quot;:null}]\" data-en-clipboard=\"true\"><b>Annie Galvin<\/b>, this season&#8217;s host, is the associate editor at\u00a0<i>Public Books<\/i> and a Mellon\/ACLS Public Fellow. She holds a PhD in English from the University of Virginia, and her <a href=\"https:\/\/anniegalvin.com\/\">academic and public writing<\/a> has focused on contemporary global fiction, visual culture, gender and sexuality, and popular music.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Episode notes<\/h4>\n<p class=\"nonindented\">In our first episode, two leading scholars of internet history delve into the stories you might not have heard about where the technology came from. Yes, DARPA and IBM played formative roles, but what about back-to-the-land hippies in the 1960s, or a sprawling network of African American engineers, inventors, entrepreneurs, and enthusiasts who helped develop and popularize the web? And how did major decisions about the early internet\u2019s design and usage lead to some of its problems today?<\/p>\n<p class=\"nonindented\"><em>View a transcript of the episode <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.cul.columbia.edu\/podcasts\/transcript-origins-of-the-internet\/\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<h4 class=\"nonindented\">Mentioned in this episode<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>Fred\u2019s book <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780226817422\"><em>From Counterculture to Cyberculture: Stewart Brand, the Whole Earth Network, and the Rise of Digital Utopianism<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li>Charlton\u2019s book <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780190863845\"><em>Black Software: The Internet and Racial Justice, from the AfroNet to Black Lives Matter<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li>Scholars: <a href=\"https:\/\/mitsloan.mit.edu\/faculty\/directory\/joanne-yates\">JoAnne Yates<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.iit.edu\/directory\/people\/mar-hicks\">Mar Hicks<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/luddy.indiana.edu\/contact\/profile\/?Nathan_Ensmenger\">Nathan Ensmenger<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/lsa.umich.edu\/ac\/people\/faculty\/lnakamur.html\">Lisa Nakamura<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Charlton\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/charltonmcilwain.com\/research-articles\/\">research<\/a> on activism online and offline<\/li>\n<li>Fred\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.staging4.publicbooks.org\/author\/fred-turner\/\">articles and interviews<\/a> in <em>Public Books<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4 class=\"nonindented\">Further reading<\/h4>\n<p class=\"nonindented\">Charlton recommends:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Ruha Benjamin, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781509526406\"><em>Race after Technology: Abolitionist Tools for the New Jim Code<\/em><\/a> (Polity, 2019)<\/li>\n<li>Andr\u00e9 Brock Jr., <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781479829965\"><em>Distributed Blackness: African American Cybercultures<\/em><\/a> (NYU Press, 2020)<\/li>\n<li>Meredith Broussard, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780262537018\"><em>Artificial Unintelligence: How Computers Misunderstand the World<\/em><\/a> (MIT Press, 2018)<\/li>\n<li>Simone Browne, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9780822359388\"><em>Dark Matters: On the Surveillance of Blackness<\/em><\/a> (Duke University Press, 2015)<\/li>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\"><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"nonindented\">Fred recommends:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Ruha Benjamin, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/5882\/9781509526406\"><em>Race after Technology: Abolitionist Tools for the New Jim Code<\/em><\/a> (Polity, 2019)<\/li>\n<li>Paul N. 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